It's certainly interesting to see something like this at such an early stage of a conflict, even if I'm not particularly sure that it's worth announcing. Re-confirming your core ideals to the capsuleer masses is usually reserved for such a time when you have no more fight to give, and that's not something I can say I've seen as yet.

It seems a bit odd to be scrabbling to reclaim some element of favour with those that you have raised the ire of, especially in such a public setting, but I suppose you are doing what you think is best for your alliance in order to keep it alive. Might be in your best interests to keep Capt. Devil from sounding off again though if you wish to succeed; boring people to death with disgustingly generic patriotism probably isn't good for business in the long run.

I was going rattle of some award earning speech about how Eyob is doing things wrong and how he could improve on his situation without having to keep his merry band of capsuleers under the wing of others, but then it struck me. It doesn't matter. I really don't need to push the point, because at the end of the day no matter what Obsidian Front stands for and no matter what they claim that they want to do to assist the Minmatar Republic in their struggle against slavery, the core premise is laced with hypocrisy.

Evidently half of them don't give a **** no matter what is said. They are still dropping capitals on starbases and attempting to tear them down illegally. They are still pirating in the Aeman constellation and beyond. Hell, I bet their members would be working with agents in the Empire if they lived closer.

It all comes together to form a beautiful picture when you look at it through Eyob's rose tinted glasses, but when you look from the outside you see a group of people who claim to stamping down on one thing, yet are continuing to do what they have done for however long, ensuring that nothing is going to progress to a "more peaceful" stage.

Why don't we let Eyob come out from under your wing Jade. Let him stand up and defend himself. We both know he's got the balls, even if they are fortified by alcohol.

Just putting my .02 isks worth in here. To my knowledge while I have been a member EM has never hired mercs. Why hire a dog when you can bite people yourselves.

And on the subject of Mercs. God Squad have decced EM. Which is cool. More blinky reds to shoot at is fine with me. But a bit strange that citizen Eyob talks of peace but also hires mercenaries to attack us. I'm sure he will deny that they're on his dime. Because you know that's just what he does.

You mean like when Ynot hired godsquad against us?

I honestly wouldn't put such treachery beyond him.

It was less than a week ago when he contacted godsquad and paid them to cease their dec with his alliance and to dec us. However I see your point Jade, that whole deal ended terribly for you guys. However Ynot does not seem to be one who learns from his mistakes, banging his head against a wall seems to be his special talent.

The treacherous part that I was talking about was hiring mercs against Electus Matari whilst at the same time claiming to be a Matari loyalist. If that is not treacherous or backstabbing then I don't know what is. On the other hand perhaps Ynot suffers from multiple personality disorder, which if that is the case then it would explain alot about interactions with him.

A friendly critique. It sounds like your alliance really needs intelligence and diplomacy departments, and to have them operate out of the limelight of the forums.

The tribe and other Minmatar militia corps have OF set red for acts of piracy against civilians and militia members. So we have been assisting EM with dealing with known pirates. During the defence of a EM POCO in Auner a fleet of 53 which included OF, Eve-union and Cloud 7 Nebulosa attacked the EM and allies defence fleet, So these alliances are now marked as helping known pirates.

I do not see any difference with your example of "cargo raider" and our experience of OF.

If they have changed then it is welcomed, But i think we need more than just a IGS statement to believe them.

I think this whole mess needs a cooling off period of agreed none aggression for a set amount of time.

Then new standings need to be set as the waters have become muddied.

I suggest a resetting to neutral all round so if we are all NRDS no one is getting shot anymore.

But I can only speak for the tribe.

A COA fleet engaged and destroyed seven Negative Ten BS and a Loki in Mirotem yesterday, we also forced them to self destruct a triaged Archon.

Fearless came to the field late, but they also dropped their own capitals on the Negative 10 Archon, there was some dialogue in local from Negative Ten to Fearless which was neither friendly or respectful, this would seem to put pay to your theory that they are working together, or employer and employee.

I greet Ynot's announcement with cautious optimism, I would rather not spend my time or my security status shooting The Obsidian Front's ships and structures, there are corporations and alliances who I would much rather be shooting at instead.

Pilot Constantine I must ask why you're sullying yourself with such a vigorous defense of a bunch of common lying pirates?

To me this all sounds oddly like some kind of deathbed conversion. The Front is about to be ground into dust and they know it. This seems like a desperate, last-ditch effort to save themselves from the retribution they've so richly earned after months of criminal activity within the Republic.

I doubt that many here are fooled by this "new" Obsidian Front charade. It's all a bunch of flowery words. It's smoke and mirrors, a poorly written play full of sound and fury ultimately signifying nothing. No one will cry when this piratical group is sent to hell where they belong.

The Obsidian Front fell into that latter catagory. Pirates that don't like to think of themselves as pirates but just randomly waylay passers by for fun. I guess you could claim that they weren't pirates and were just muggers? We still set them red for that in any case.

Oh that. Well I have to say I don't buy it. More of their usual attempts to sleaze their way off our red list.

It has come to my attention something is deeply concerning. EM, who I congatulate in joining up with Faction warfar, has also made Fearless, a known criminal and mercenary alliance blue.


http://www.electusmatari.com/standings/rc/

Fearless (who we are at war with in full discosure), are known for ganking neutral industrials in low sec who are simply attempting to use custom offices.

Consider this Killmail this week as proof.


I do know who BoB is and even though he has a positive sec status and is in the Federal Navy Accadamy and only started playing this game 2 weeks ago, was flying and industrail without any guns, apparently, there was some justification.

I say this cause, because of EM's definition of crimes, this would be considered piracy. As EM set fearless to blue, it must have a good explaination.

This is just one murder of many of by Fearless in the last few weeks of industrials and neutrals.

If Obsidian Front is being held to the standard that we can't reform and can't be trusted, how can a alliance, who has in the description that they are mercenaries be blue. Another crime per EM is unprovoked wars. Mercenaries, by definition make war for profit, not provokation. As they are currently criminals in the regard that they murder new pilots in industrails and make war per profit, I am VERY confused on their recent blue status?

Anyone care to explain?

Just checked the ones in Miroitem. They say 5%. Maybe they have set a 100% tax for their reds.

Let's take a look at what you've said.Planetary customs offices with 100% tax.
They've been mentioned, but aren't actually in existence. I honestly don't know whether they will come into effect, but we're dealing with facts, not what might come to pass.

FEARLESS are a self declared NBSI entity who will shoot whoever they please.
Probably. Then again, morals sometimes have to bend when it comes to getting a job done. Associating with people with a lack of said morals doesn't really detract from the sincerity of anyone's cause; it just means they acknowledge that there may be another way.

As an aside, I resent you calling me a pirate, and think you should apologize.

Personally I take all local communications with anyone, especially war targets, with a fistful. Can't fault you for your naivety though.

I don't think we've ever denied being hypocrites, but then again we're not bound by such a strict set of morals. Nobody can really say that politic is a clean business though, there's always going to be someone on the receiving end. If Electus Matari want to associate themselves with the lesser of two evils though, then that's their prerogative.

Grow a thicker skin and become a crusty old fusspot? I don't think so. You're mistaking faux offense for something more. I'm aware that we both do what needs to be done to get the job finished.

Consider the source Pilot Roesburn and then studiously ignore it as I'll be doing from now on. Constantine's MO on the IGS has been the same for years; to employ tortured logic, ignoring of any facts not convenient to her arguments, dodging of questions and turning questions around onto the person who asked them in order to impugn their integrity. This is normally done in an overly verbose, pseudo-intellectual style designed to make herself look superior.

In other words Constantine is in love with the sound of her own voice and her ego is the size of a constellation. It's a true pity that such a noble cause is being led by one as arrogant as her. No wonder so many longtime SF pilots have chosen to flee in recent months. They had to leave before the sound of Constantine continually blowing her own horn drove them mad or made them deaf.

If that's the way you want to see it then so be it. You and I have both agreed in the past that disinformation is a rather valuable asset in one's repertoire. Can't see why you'd change your tune when it doesn't benefit you.Oh wait, yes I can.

Nailed it. You sir are awesome. ((+1 Internets for you))

[quote=Jade Constantine]
Sure. My name is Ivan 'Crazy Vania' Dvergar, and I think you are doing a terrible job at mediating this issue. Somehow this conversation has turned from an Obdisian Front standing order change announcement to a monologue about your pet peeve with EM.

Am I wrong, or is this one of the most common IGS thread template:
Party A says "We are cool"
Party B says "We don't like you"
Jade Constantine says "BLABLABLABLABLABLABLA"

Doing so by attacking EM's integrity and principles does not particularly make anyone sound very genuine about their intents of a "peaceful situation."

Came expecting poorly reasoned and irritating arguments by idiots.

Left with the knowledge that there actually is a limit to how much trash I can read, about half way through the first post.

You always were a pain to deal with, pray I don't see you again, I'm not bound by things like Rules of Engagement any more and no, that isn't an empty threat.

Keep trying Jade...

In the same sense that if you keep an infinite number of monkeys with datapads tapping away for an infinite amount of time one will produce the Pax Amarria if you keep writing your pages and pages of labourious prose and rhetoric you may have a valid point.

FEARLESS. has been contracted to wage war on FRONT and -SF- space assets in and around the Hek area (I see that you have managed to neatly dodge this by transferring your POCOs to a neutral corporation, something which will be dealt with in time). Hardly an unprovoked war. That makes all pilots flying under those banners (and those who provide them with aid) legitimate targets.

I won't bore you with our lengthy RoE but I have given my pilots free reign within the Aemen pocket so as to prevent infiltration by 'neutral' pilots who seek to learn our disposition and those who we suspect of using the remaining Customs Offices which belong to our targets. Note that Aemen is part of the Gallente Federation and not the Minmatar Republic.

On the Customs Office issue. We are not particularly concerned with taxes and income from them for now. Any that we have claimed and still hold at the end of our contract will be turned over to our client. He can then do with them what he pleases.

Our arrangement with Electus Matari is, quite frankly, none of your business. We have abided by and will continue to abide by the terms and conditions they presented to us.

If at all possible, could you deal with it in slightly less detail than usual?

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Jade I don't know why you might find it surprising that some people don't like you.